Comments on: UBF Spiritual Heritage http://www.priestlynation.com/ubf-spiritual-heritage/ my journey of recovery from University Bible Fellowship Tue, 29 Mar 2016 16:34:31 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6.1 By: Chris http://www.priestlynation.com/ubf-spiritual-heritage/#comment-1300 Mon, 07 May 2012 16:19:28 +0000 http://www.priestlynation.com/?p=991#comment-1300 Jae, Brian: I don’t think UBF members just do what UBF proclaims just because their UBF superiors tell them in such a coercive and repetitive way. They have deeper reasons, they really believe it is the right thing to do.

For instance, the reason why most UBF members believe they must be disciple-makers for students is that they believe they were born again through the disciple-making “service” of UBF, and UBF does its best to make people believe it is only through UBF that they have been saved and born again. For most it is actually the only “mechanism” to be born again they know and experienced. They also consider it to be a sign of unthankfulness or selfishness to not pass on what they received as students in UBF to other students. And they believe the only way to pass it on is to make disciples in the same way as they have been made disciples themselves. In UBF, conversion and new birth is automatically coupled to your calling. To not accept that calling would mean to question the seriousness of your conversion. I think that’s one of the crucial issues with UBF.

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By: HKUBF http://www.priestlynation.com/ubf-spiritual-heritage/#comment-1285 Sun, 06 May 2012 15:07:50 +0000 http://www.priestlynation.com/?p=991#comment-1285 The 8-point Heritage in HKUBF is as follows:

1. 歸向聖經 (Go Back to the Bible)
2. 通過平信徒宣教士遵行世界宣教使命 (World mission through lay missionaries)
3. 通過1:1查經成就校園福音化 (Campus evangelism through one-to-one Bible study)
4. 通過家庭教會持守馬糟事工 (Manger ministry through house churches)
5. 興起門徒事工 (Disciple-making ministry)
6. 天糧與所感撰寫 (Daily bread and testimony writing)
7. “五餅二魚”的施與精神 (Giving spirit-“five loaves and two fish”)
8. 為了成為祭司的國度和聖潔的國民而禱告 (Pray to be a kingdom of priests and a holy nation)

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By: HKUBF http://www.priestlynation.com/ubf-spiritual-heritage/#comment-1281 Sun, 06 May 2012 07:03:49 +0000 http://www.priestlynation.com/?p=991#comment-1281 Hi Brian, thanks for your post. In HK, we have the 8-point Heritage version. Each house church has a framed picture of Samuel Lee and the 8-point Heritage, which used to hang in our house.

Actually, UBF has created lots of so-called “spiritual terms” (of course, they say that these are teachings of Bible). In our experience, UBF spiritual heritage is just some sort of so-called “spiritual terms”. In deed, these spiritual heritage are the old rules of the Founder. I think there are some contradictions with the following statements they quoted in the “50th Anniversary Book”

“However, the spirit that worked in the UBF ministry for the past 50 years didn’t come from the ideas of Dr. Samuel Lee or Mother Barry.”

These spiritual heritage (or spiritual terms) are just slogan indeed. For example, the Korean Director always emphasize “Mainland China Mission” during the past. However, you may guess how many Mainland China missionary was sent from HKUBF? The answer is: No one was sent from HKUBF during the past 26 years.

There are lots of “spiritual terms” used in UBF. They are using their own languages. You seem to be a freshman who is learning a language in a class. There should be 100 or even more spiritual terms that the UBF leaders always emphasize. These so-called spiritual terms are rarely clearly defined and documented. However, the UBF leaders redefine these terms and use them if they need at any time, sometimes different leaders will have different interpretations. I promise that you will laugh from your heart if you could find that there are so many “spirits” and so many “XXX-ism” (e.g. Humanism, Hedonism) in the UBF’s so-called “spiritual terms”.

So what are these so-called “spiritual terms” used for? According to Steven Hassan, a cult or a cult-like organization use to adopt “loaded” language (characterized by “thought-terminating clichés”). for thought control. These “special” words constrict rather than expand understanding. (source:http://www.freedomofmind.com/Info/BITE/bitemodel.php) They like to use its own language and terms, and quote them if “necessary” (to control the others).

In my opinion, the first lesson the UBF leaders that they should learn is to abandon using such sort of terms and abandon controlling the brothers and sisters Yet are they willing to admit that they are controlling the others indeed and adopt them? Since they must keep the “old rules” of the Founder, that explains why is it so hard to change and why have they reformed many many times during the past 50 years, but fail indeed.

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By: briank http://www.priestlynation.com/ubf-spiritual-heritage/#comment-1243 Sat, 05 May 2012 18:37:53 +0000 http://www.priestlynation.com/?p=991#comment-1243 Vitaly, sometimes all I can do is laugh! It keeps me from destroying something :)

You make a very good point. If UBF leaders were honest, they would give every new Bible student a 50th Anniversary Book (the “blue book”). And they would not post a rubber-stamp “statement of faith”. They would post the 12 point heritage. That is what UBF is all about.

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By: briank http://www.priestlynation.com/ubf-spiritual-heritage/#comment-1230 Sat, 05 May 2012 11:46:56 +0000 http://www.priestlynation.com/?p=991#comment-1230 Jae, I’m glad to hear your questions. You asked: “do you believe that God called you to be a ‘disciple-maker’? Specifically, to college students?” As David mentioned above, I used to think this way because I was told 20 thousand times that such a statement was true (David is more holy than me… I think in Ukraine they only need to be told 10,000 times, we Americans need 20,000 times :)

Seriously though, I do need to answer your question two times. I am so intrigued by this, I made this today’s post.

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By: David Bychkov http://www.priestlynation.com/ubf-spiritual-heritage/#comment-1229 Sat, 05 May 2012 07:51:04 +0000 http://www.priestlynation.com/?p=991#comment-1229 Yeah, but when you are yoing and pure and you are told 10 thousand times that you are called to be a disciple maker, it is difficult to not believe. As someone said – no matter how great lie is if it is told many times with power initialy everyone will believe

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By: Jae http://www.priestlynation.com/ubf-spiritual-heritage/#comment-1226 Sat, 05 May 2012 03:40:55 +0000 http://www.priestlynation.com/?p=991#comment-1226 Hi Brian, thanks for your continuous reporting. The second quote is a fine example of why most college people are not into UBF. There’s much ignorance, presumptuous claims, and arrogance just from those few sentences.
I can’t see how any critically thinking college student would agree with that paragraph.

It also said, “God called us to be disciple-makers..”, and more specifically, to be disciple-makers of college students.

Brian, do you believe that God called you to be a “disciple-maker”? Specifically, to college students?

Personally, I don’t feel I have that calling. And I shouldn’t feel like I am called to be unless God actually tells me in a recognizable way, not just because someone in UBF told me that God called me to be one.

What do you think about this? Do people in UBF have the authority to say these things? They are essentially “speaking on behalf of God”. Obviously this puts them in a position of great influence and power. I think what history has taught us is that absolute power corrupts absolutely, or however the saying goes. At least for humans.

Interested to hear your thoughts,

J

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By: briank http://www.priestlynation.com/ubf-spiritual-heritage/#comment-1211 Fri, 04 May 2012 17:34:30 +0000 http://www.priestlynation.com/?p=991#comment-1211 I never heard the term “spiritual heritage” until after the death of Lee. I heard all of the other terms a lot all 24 years.

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By: Chris http://www.priestlynation.com/ubf-spiritual-heritage/#comment-1210 Fri, 04 May 2012 17:18:23 +0000 http://www.priestlynation.com/?p=991#comment-1210 Thanks for documenting this. As an aside, I had the impression that the term was coined by UBF after the death of Samuel Lee, and also understood to mean this person’s heritage, with “back to the Bible” being his famous last words. Or did UBF use the term already when Samuel Lee was still alive?

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By: Vitaly http://www.priestlynation.com/ubf-spiritual-heritage/#comment-1209 Fri, 04 May 2012 16:34:29 +0000 http://www.priestlynation.com/?p=991#comment-1209 Thanks, Brian. You know I laughed from my heart while reading the 12-point heritage and your “God bless your soul…”. There is a statement of faith in UBF, but it is not true. UBF’s true statement of faith is the 12-point heritage. It shows clearly how spiritually sick UBF is and has been.

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