Comments on: PART 1 Operation #exposeUBF http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/25/part-1-operation-exposeubf/ for friends of University Bible Fellowship Wed, 21 Oct 2015 04:34:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.3.1 By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/25/part-1-operation-exposeubf/#comment-19574 Sun, 27 Sep 2015 14:50:26 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9625#comment-19574 This business nature of UBFism takes on several forms, which I address in my book.

“The culture of UBFism is held together by giving a new purpose to your relationships with other people. That purpose is of course to honor the UBF leaders and pass on the UBF spiritual heritage. Your relationship with your spouse is made into a business-like co-working relationship. Your relationship with your own children is made into a machine-like bond.” (pg. 70)

“Some UBF missionaries are working for their own self-supporting businesses. The claim by UBF leaders is that they are just imitating Paul the Apostle who made tents for a living. They like to call themselves tent-making missionaries. This may be a fine missionaries paradigm for most, but some missionaries get caught up in this business side of their mission. Some call this business mission. The idea is to evangelize students with this self-supporting business they created, such as a tutoring company or a computer company. But sometimes this side business becomes too much and all Christian evangelization efforts become secondary to keeping the business going. In Mexico, for example, four missionaries from Korea UBF setup a clothing factory. They got into trouble in 2015 with the Mexican authorities for many serious allegations ranging from safety violations to abuse (as reported by many news outlets including International Business Times, February 6, 2015)” (pg 142)

(Identity Snatchers: Exposing a Korean Campus Bible Cult)

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/25/part-1-operation-exposeubf/#comment-19572 Sun, 27 Sep 2015 13:14:23 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9625#comment-19572 “Many people may call the UBF a cult, but really you guys are just a business. And just like any business, you don’t care unless you HAVE to care AKA you don’t care unless it hurts your financial “bottom line.” – See more at: http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/25/part-1-operation-exposeubf/#more-9625

This is a good point, Paul. Underneath the Bible layer and all the holy paint, ubf could simply be considered a business. That is certainly what many of them care about–forming a business.

This website and my books have made them start to care. As a result, many ubf chapters are quickly painting their ministry with holy paint.

But no matter how pretty the pot is painted, planting the same seeds will grow the same weeds. Even if you paint the seeds of hypocrisy with brilliant colors, the seeds still grow into the same toxic environment that smothers young adults.

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By: Mark Mederich http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/25/part-1-operation-exposeubf/#comment-19570 Sun, 27 Sep 2015 01:42:39 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9625#comment-19570 insincerity has caused great damage, sincerity must be sought at all costs

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/25/part-1-operation-exposeubf/#comment-19566 Sat, 26 Sep 2015 15:13:37 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9625#comment-19566 Thanks again for your efforts Paul. The new push from ubfers is to create membership classes. They are pretending to be a normal Christian ministry…

Here they claim “full disclosure”, and yet only show the same old superficial statements. If anyone wants full disclosure, read my books.

ubf is now making membership forms, classes and applications

The students should ask, what am I really signing up for?

This is full disclosure for anyone signing away their life on one of those forms:

Arranged marriages exclusively with group members
Replacement of identity with the Shepherd X identity
Lifelong moral supervision by a personal shepherd
Degradation of family as unspiritual
Koreanization of host cultures
Failure to adequately address various cases of abuse
Hagiographical re-writing of their own history
Traumatic process of leaving the group
Psychological issues found in former members
Theological departures from the tenets of Christianity
Reduction of the Bible canon to 12 books
Toxic leadership styles that foster hypocrisy

They want to break you.

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By: Joe Schafer http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/25/part-1-operation-exposeubf/#comment-19565 Sat, 26 Sep 2015 11:59:29 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9625#comment-19565 One of the best and truest lines ever to appear on this website:

“The ubf is built upon the foundation of the old school Korean male ego.”

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By: bekamartin http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/25/part-1-operation-exposeubf/#comment-19564 Sat, 26 Sep 2015 00:32:07 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9625#comment-19564 Praise God!!

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By: cmdiaz http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/25/part-1-operation-exposeubf/#comment-19561 Fri, 25 Sep 2015 17:28:13 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9625#comment-19561 Thank you for your post Paul Lee I look forward to hearing from you and I hope that through your message and personal experience many UBF cult leaders can — in the end do the right thing (for once) even if it’s hard.

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By: PAULLEE http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/25/part-1-operation-exposeubf/#comment-19559 Fri, 25 Sep 2015 17:14:26 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9625#comment-19559 Well said Brian

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By: PAULLEE http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/25/part-1-operation-exposeubf/#comment-19558 Fri, 25 Sep 2015 17:14:02 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9625#comment-19558 Thanksss

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/25/part-1-operation-exposeubf/#comment-19557 Fri, 25 Sep 2015 17:13:49 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9625#comment-19557 I long for the day when we hear the report of some messenger walking up to the podium at the 2016 summer bible conference, leaving his script behind and giving this speech or something similar; sharing his honest thoughts and laying it on the line. How much longer can ubf messengers be parrots reading from a script?

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By: admin http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/25/part-1-operation-exposeubf/#comment-19556 Fri, 25 Sep 2015 17:11:36 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9625#comment-19556 I fixed it as Admin, thanks. –BrianK.

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By: PAULLEE http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/25/part-1-operation-exposeubf/#comment-19555 Fri, 25 Sep 2015 17:08:31 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9625#comment-19555 Sorry I don’t know how to embed it

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By: PAULLEE http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/25/part-1-operation-exposeubf/#comment-19554 Fri, 25 Sep 2015 17:07:57 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9625#comment-19554

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By: PAULLEE http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/25/part-1-operation-exposeubf/#comment-19553 Fri, 25 Sep 2015 17:07:34 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9625#comment-19553 Thank You for posting the video Brian, it is so inspiring. Here is where I love its application. https://youtu.be/YLZxFfI0bag

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/25/part-1-operation-exposeubf/#comment-19552 Fri, 25 Sep 2015 16:38:20 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9625#comment-19552 Amen.

If anyone has not seen that speech you reference, Paul, here it is, and it is highly relevant to the UBF system, a religious machine that needs to be done away with:

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By: Mark Mederich http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/25/part-1-operation-exposeubf/#comment-19551 Fri, 25 Sep 2015 16:20:11 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9625#comment-19551 HALLELUJAH!

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