Comments on: (I am) A Light to the Gentiles http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/22/i-am-a-light-to-the-gentiles/ for friends of University Bible Fellowship Wed, 21 Oct 2015 04:34:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.3.1 By: HonestRhee http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/22/i-am-a-light-to-the-gentiles/#comment-19536 Fri, 25 Sep 2015 02:59:09 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9603#comment-19536 Quality over quantity?! Ahahahaha! You almost got me there. Good one, National.

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By: National Park http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/22/i-am-a-light-to-the-gentiles/#comment-19535 Fri, 25 Sep 2015 00:33:34 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9603#comment-19535 Yes there is no need to pioneer new websites now. We are concerned about quality not quantity. May God use us to raise 561 websites and 10,000 admins until internet becomes a kingdom of priests and holy nation.

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By: HonestRhee http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/22/i-am-a-light-to-the-gentiles/#comment-19534 Thu, 24 Sep 2015 21:28:06 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9603#comment-19534 Hmmm, this is an interesting development. Absolute and National, I would say that the best course of action would be to establish three new websites, ubfriends1, ubfriends2 and ubfriends3. But I realize that since we are in the minority, perhaps it would be best to huddle together here in our own little conclave, even speaking Korean from time to time just so that we feel comfortable. And if we should encounter an co-working issues, we can simply show our solidarity and undying commitment to one another through deafening silence and a resolute pact to never display our conflicts in public. Otherwise, we can continue along with over-the-top shows of false modesty and self deprecation as well as our usual patronizing remarks coupled with backhanded compliments. You two guys are number one in my book! (Of course that’s number one behind me, so really you are number two’s.)

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By: Absolute ServantOfGod http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/22/i-am-a-light-to-the-gentiles/#comment-19526 Thu, 24 Sep 2015 14:54:27 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9603#comment-19526 Dear Great Servants of God! Missionary HonestRhee and missionary National Park! It is so wonderful that you honestly share your true and the very honest feelings publicly and without fear of angry and the bitter god-haters attacking and criticizing you severely. Praise God!

This is surely sign that the Almighty God, Creator of Heaven and the Earth, will defeat all the God’s enemies. They will become like all those who left the UBF and became severely injured and died from terrible and the horrible accidents, that surely came from the God.

Like you, the missionary HonestRhee and the missionary National Park, I hope the other missionaries also may overcome the fear of ubfriends and talk openly and publicly, and boldly and very courageously without fear.

As you know we hide nothing, we fear the nothing, for we only care the campus mission of world wide the pioneering of whole world campus students.

Soon, who knows, even ubfriends may begin the great prayer topic to Make American a Kingdom of Priests and a Holy Nation!!!!!

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By: National Park http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/22/i-am-a-light-to-the-gentiles/#comment-19521 Thu, 24 Sep 2015 14:22:35 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9603#comment-19521 If we divide, we will grow. In the biblical equation, division equals multiplication. Please go out and pioneer a new website as soon as possible.

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By: HonestRhee http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/22/i-am-a-light-to-the-gentiles/#comment-19517 Thu, 24 Sep 2015 13:58:35 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9603#comment-19517 Thank you for the encouragement. By God’s strength, we will subdue the Americans like Israel did to the Philistines! We will overcome this nation with the fighting spirit!

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By: HonestRhee http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/22/i-am-a-light-to-the-gentiles/#comment-19516 Thu, 24 Sep 2015 13:56:16 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9603#comment-19516 Hi msn. National Park! I remember our days at SNU together, especially how I got slightly better marks than you. Say, seeing as how we will most likely have co-working issues, how about we completely avoid the potential for conflict by splitting into a ubfriends1 and a ubfriends2? Of course I will take #1 because I am your senior by a few months. Anyway, God bless your ministry to these godless gentiles, who we have absolutely nothing to learn from, abundantly!

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By: National Park http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/22/i-am-a-light-to-the-gentiles/#comment-19515 Thu, 24 Sep 2015 12:30:42 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9603#comment-19515 This testimony is precious truth. Like the historian Dr Luke we must see with the universal point of view. My name used to be Jeremiad Park. I selfishly cared only about my own sheep and fellowship. But the servant of God Missionary Dr Samuel Lee rebuked my limited vision to see on world scale. If I could not have world scale then I at least should have national or state or city scale. To enlarge my vision the servant of God changed my name to City Park. When I pioneered state university I became State Park, and last year by God’s grace I was promoted to National Park. Praise Jesus! May God raise 100,000 medical doctor historian Bible teachers like Dr Luke who see from the universal objective point of view.

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By: Gajanan Nial http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/22/i-am-a-light-to-the-gentiles/#comment-19513 Thu, 24 Sep 2015 02:37:57 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9603#comment-19513 You, Dear Msnry. Honest Rhee, made me return to ubfriends at a time when I was losing interest to come back as I felt ubfriends also becoming predictable. Pls keep writing and publishing here to keep my faith and hope for UBF alive. One word: Dont give up!

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By: Gajanan Nial http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/22/i-am-a-light-to-the-gentiles/#comment-19512 Thu, 24 Sep 2015 02:10:07 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9603#comment-19512 Classic piece!! God bless you M. Rhee with 120 disciples of Jesus, most of them possibly professor shepherds. You are truly a light to the gentiles.
Had I met you earlier, I would not have left UBF.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/22/i-am-a-light-to-the-gentiles/#comment-19511 Wed, 23 Sep 2015 13:57:45 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9603#comment-19511 Indeed, having a new identity in Christ is a good thing. Surely we must be born again. The Christian identity is about the transformation that comes from love, from within. The mystery is Christ in you (Colossians 1:27). And our new identity in Christ means we do not need any Bible teacher watching over our day to day lives. We now surrender to the Holy Spirit and learn to discern the voice of God, not needing any missionaries’ voice to approve our decisions. If that is what you mean,M. Rhee, then amen!

In contrast, UBFism says you wear a mask and stare at the mirror of self-examination, pruning your life endlessly, as Kevin rightly pointed out here recently. UBFism gives you a new Shepherd identity to conform your life into.

What about the process you went through to gain that new UBF identity M.Rhee? If it indeed worked for you, what says everyone must conform to that process? What if God does not intend to give everyone a UBF shepherd identity? If you see evidence that your process of gaining a new identity harms people, would you be willing to modify your process?

Also, if UBFism says everyone’s new identity is to be a Bible teacher, how do you reconcile that with several Bible passages, such as James 3:1 “Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness.” ESV

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By: HonestRhee http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/22/i-am-a-light-to-the-gentiles/#comment-19510 Wed, 23 Sep 2015 13:35:38 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9603#comment-19510 Interesting indeed. But my new identity saved me from such a depressing life and gave me so much purpose and direction. It made me feel alive as I met Jesus personally and began to desire good things. So how is a new identity a bad thing?

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/22/i-am-a-light-to-the-gentiles/#comment-19509 Wed, 23 Sep 2015 13:12:27 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9603#comment-19509 Yes indeed, M. Rhee, the movie/book “Invasion of the Body Snatchers” explains my book about UBFism quite well:

“In deep space, a race of gelatinous creatures abandon their dying world. Pushed through space by the solar wind, they make their way to Earth and land in San Francisco. Some fall on plant leaves, assimilating them and forming small pods with pink flowers. Elizabeth Driscoll (Brooke Adams), an employee at the San Francisco Health Department, is one of several people who bring the flowers home. The next morning, Elizabeth’s boyfriend, Geoffrey Howell, DDS (Art Hindle), suddenly becomes distant, and she senses that something is wrong.”
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As I say in my book:

“No longer will the student be known as Bob or Sue. They will be known as “Shepherd Abraham” or “Shepherdess Sarah”. Some received training names like “Shepherd Workhard” or “Shepherd Vision”. The training in the system breaks you down. Then a new identity can be sculpted by the shepherds. This new identity is far from unique. In fact, the new identity UBF wants to rebuild you into is a rubber-stamp version of the ideal UBF man, Samuel Lee or the ideal woman, Sarah Barry. Of course such ideals are fraught with contradictions. Most notably, the ideal woman Sarah Barry never married and yet the women students are taught they must marry in order to serve God.

This new identity is sculpted in stages, which are repeated ad-nauseam throughout the students’ life, like some sort of hellish hamster wheel. In spite of the many promises by the shepherds, the student never really accomplishes anything they wanted. Instead, the students become clones in the system. And like the plot of the 1973 movie Soylent Green, the UBF system only works if new students who don’t know the dark history are fed into the system.”

Identity Snatchers: Exposing a Korean Campus Bible Cult, pg.76-77

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By: HonestRhee http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/22/i-am-a-light-to-the-gentiles/#comment-19508 Wed, 23 Sep 2015 12:59:07 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9603#comment-19508 Hmmm, what is this identity snatchers? Is it anything like the cult classic invasion of the body snatchers?

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/22/i-am-a-light-to-the-gentiles/#comment-19507 Wed, 23 Sep 2015 12:44:51 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9603#comment-19507 “What really happens when you leave UBF? Well, nothing actually. There is no great tragedy waiting for you after you leave. There is no car accident or grand punishment as your shepherd might have feared. Leaving does not incur the wrath of God. However, leaving does not automatically heal you. After going through the painful exit process, there are indeed many situations to deal with after leaving. Leaving the group is not the end-all solution, but merely a door to one of several solutions. Leaving the group is like breaking up with your boyfriend or girlfriend. Or if your shepherd/sheep relationship was stronger, then leaving feels like a divorce. This testifies to the bondage that goes on when shepherding ideology is preached, and contrasts the normal, healthy Christian model of discipleship.”

Identity Snatchers: Exposing a Korean Campus Bible Cult, pg.110

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/22/i-am-a-light-to-the-gentiles/#comment-19506 Wed, 23 Sep 2015 12:42:43 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9603#comment-19506 “What happens after you leave UBF? If you believe what the late Samuel Lee and numerous other leaders preached, terrible tragedy awaits if you leave UBF. Leaving the ministry is equated with leaving your mission from God. Lee told tall tales of cancer, injury and death—all supposedly awaiting those who “ran away” from God. I share only one prime example of this teaching here. I share many more in the online companion to this book, on restunleashed.org.”

Identity Snatchers: Exposing a Korean Campus Bible Cult, pg.109

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By: HonestRhee http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/22/i-am-a-light-to-the-gentiles/#comment-19503 Wed, 23 Sep 2015 00:23:53 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9603#comment-19503 It’s what others do to hurt a poor, defenseless missionary such as myself. And is ‘precious’ some kind of silky smooth southern colloquialism or do you have the Gollum complex? Americans never cease to amaze me in their strangeness…

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By: MattC http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/22/i-am-a-light-to-the-gentiles/#comment-19498 Tue, 22 Sep 2015 20:16:29 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9603#comment-19498 What’s “outlashings,” precious?

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By: HonestRhee http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/22/i-am-a-light-to-the-gentiles/#comment-19495 Tue, 22 Sep 2015 16:48:05 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9603#comment-19495 Dear Nick, I find it odd that you would take this as a joke. There is nothing funny about a man and his head, which is the only thing alive. When he drinks the imitation pina colada, he must imagine that he is at the vacation resort dancing with all of his might in the conga line. Then he wakes up and realizes that he is actually in a real-life purgatory for his sins against God’s servants. The only thing we should do for this man is to celebrate his living head and mourn his dead body.

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By: namuehling http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/22/i-am-a-light-to-the-gentiles/#comment-19494 Tue, 22 Sep 2015 16:34:37 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9603#comment-19494 People in my office must have been wondering why I was laughing so hard–the comment that Honest Rhee goes to visit the head of the former missionary from time to time is priceless. This is, honestrhee, one of my favorite pieces I have read on here. The beauty of this is not only the humor, but the implicit call for change on so many fronts. Brilliant!

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By: HonestRhee http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/22/i-am-a-light-to-the-gentiles/#comment-19493 Tue, 22 Sep 2015 15:48:50 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9603#comment-19493 Dear admin, thank you for the picture of the Ghostbusters for this article. One of the greatest motion pictures of all time. I really love the character Slimer, who is so cute, but so full of hedonistic desires. And we are like the spiritual Ghostbusters, driving the demons out of american students hearts. I recently heard that they are doing a remake of this movie with an all-female cast. This is so tragic because it reminds me of the wicked witch of Endor who enticed God’s servant Saul and bothered the spirit of the prophet Samuel. Hollywood is unknowingly inviting God’s wrath to America by persuading many foxy women to become shamans instead if bible teachers.

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By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/22/i-am-a-light-to-the-gentiles/#comment-19492 Tue, 22 Sep 2015 15:27:15 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9603#comment-19492 I hope that readers are not offended by our “sense of humor.” It is not to make light of pertinent matters, but to not allow perturbing matters to dissuade us from pursuing the light.

For over 20 years I read those manuscripts cover to cover, made (wrote and then typed) detailed and extensive notes, made dozens and dozens of Bible study binders, taught them to countless others every single week without fail, and found absolutely nothing wrong with them whatsoever.

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By: HonestRhee http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/22/i-am-a-light-to-the-gentiles/#comment-19491 Tue, 22 Sep 2015 15:24:31 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9603#comment-19491 Ben toh, of course my words are classy and meaningful, why do you state the obvious? Anyway, I had so much anguish of heart when my youngest daughter got wait-listed for Northwestern University. When she finally got in, we celebrated with so many happy tears of joy. This is God’s blessing for my faithful testimony writing. My sheep want to do the same, but then i tell them to stop thinking so worldly things. Be a bible teacher instead you knuckleheads. And then i laugh at them. Because it is funny.

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By: HonestRhee http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/22/i-am-a-light-to-the-gentiles/#comment-19490 Tue, 22 Sep 2015 15:17:20 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9603#comment-19490 I know this former missionary. I go to visit his head from time to time and his only joy of life is to drink the imitation pina colada through a straw, not even the real stuff. Such a sad tragedy.

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By: Joe Schafer http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/22/i-am-a-light-to-the-gentiles/#comment-19489 Tue, 22 Sep 2015 14:23:33 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9603#comment-19489 One famous scholar boasted that he could write a better introduction to Luke’s gospel than God’s servant Dr. Samuel Lee. He read every commentary and struggled in writing for eleven years, experiencing deep anguish of heart. His wife developed stomach ulcers and all his children became useless, like unbelieving mental patients. Finally he surrendered to accept the deep wisdom of Dr. Lee’s Bible study materials. But it was too late. He can no longer eat deliciously. Now he sips liquid food through a straw and only his head is still alive.

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By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/09/22/i-am-a-light-to-the-gentiles/#comment-19488 Tue, 22 Sep 2015 14:07:02 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9603#comment-19488 Dear Missionary HonestRhee, this is leally leally classy, berry berry honest, and leally mealingful:

“I am so proud of my children who all got into the Ivy League universities and have become doctors and got good jobs. They don’t teach the Bible or go fishing, but instead Jesus has a special plan for them to be exceptional disciples who can contribute to the society for his glory. But among my bible students, it is crystal clear that God called them to be bible teachers first and foremost. Why else would God call them to UBF if this was not his intention for them?”

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