Comments on: Are you in a Christian ministry?

By: Joe Schafer

Joe Schafer — Fri, 21 Aug 2015 16:49:52 +0000

“Heretix R Us”

By: BrianK

BrianK — Fri, 21 Aug 2015 10:59:53 +0000

Good points cm. There is a lot of holy paint on the ubf discipleship training program. We can see the true nature of UBFism from the dropouts (as Chris likes to call us :) When you drop out of the KOPAHN lifestyle, there is indeed a lot of psychological aftermath to deal with.

So while it may be difficult for people to call ubf a cult because of what they do and all the holy paint, it is easy to see that the label fits when you talk to the former members. Almost all former members do not want to talk about ubf at all anymore. They just want to forget and move on. I am really grateful for people like you, cm, and about a dozen of us former members (former leaders actually) who are working to change things.

Side note: All the former member material will soon be safely preserved on the dark web in onion sites.

By: cmdiaz

cmdiaz — Thu, 20 Aug 2015 23:08:45 +0000

Breaking free from the UBF cult is only the beginning. Afterwards comes actually/physically escaping and then the painful process of reversing the harmful teachings from your mind and daily routine.
It’s obvious that the longer someone stays in a cult like UBF… it becomes more difficult for them to remember who they were before the cult took control of their mind. (Brian K is covering some of this in his newest book). In other cases i.e. a UBF cult-born child or “second Gen”, their entire personality was purposefully made and created by the UBF cult. I have met many UBF born zombies who awoke from deep sleep and who actually managed to escape… Later to struggle with the battle of having no idea who they are at all! They would confess that their whole existence, everything they thought they knew, had been a lie.

But as I have come to find it is the psychological aftermath of life in a cult that is all too often the silent killer.

By: cmdiaz

cmdiaz — Thu, 20 Aug 2015 22:38:34 +0000

True answers I have received when in the UBF cult.

10. Only Korean missionary can receive Holy Spirit. Koreans then become shepherds of American sheep.
9. The Gospel us to be “faceful” to UBF and go to campus for “fishing”
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6. Refer to question 9
5. How can you spend time with your parents? They are not in UBF. Pray for them to be saved through the UBF ministry instead.
4. Ben Toh and Joe Schafer are heretics do not listen or talk to them.
3. You must marry by “face” your shepherd will contact one “faceful” Korean shepherdess from Korea who needs visa.
2. Your job is going to campus and attending SWS.
1. Never ever under any circumstance speak to Brian K. He is not UBF man.

By: BrianK

BrianK — Thu, 20 Aug 2015 19:40:24 +0000

You are a rare breed Forests!

By: forestsfailyou

forestsfailyou — Thu, 20 Aug 2015 18:45:03 +0000

I have done several of these things. Fun times!

By: Joe Schafer

Joe Schafer — Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:07:00 +0000

one more…

* traditional UBF-style messages and Bible study materials are of low quality

By: BrianK

BrianK — Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:04:59 +0000

Thanks Joe, I think my list is 2 then, if we count separate entities.

Those are indeed statements that will get you blacklisted. Maybe those should be on the next list, “Top 10 ways to earn dead dog training”.

By: Joe Schafer

Joe Schafer — Thu, 20 Aug 2015 13:58:42 +0000

Nice article.

Penn State UBF (legal name: University Bible Fellowship Church of State College, Inc.) does exist. It is a charitable organization in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania and a federally recognized tax exempt 501c3 organization with no legal ties to UBF headquarters. We own an awesome building at 318 S. Atherton St., State College PA and are seeking to use our resources to benefit the community in tangible ways. Today we are registering two additional names under which we will do charitable work. Taproot Kitchen will foster training and entrepreneurial activities for adults with intellectual disabilities, and The Meetinghouse on Atherton will manage the use of our property for community groups. In the future, we may also start a third initiative, a regional center for Christian unity (in partnership with ACT3 and the Institute for Christian Unity). More details to come.

Other statements that I have shared that got me blacklisted.

* Samuel Lee (or fill in the name of your chapter director or fellowship leader) is not my spiritual father.

* America was a Christian nation long before UBF missionaries arrived.

* I am a postmodern North American Christian.

* Jesus’ ministry was not dedicated to raising Bible teachers.

* Jesus did not emphasize one-to-one Bible study. Nor did the apostles.