Comments on: My 7th Book http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/07/01/my-7th-book/ for friends of University Bible Fellowship Wed, 21 Oct 2015 04:34:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.3.1 By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/07/01/my-7th-book/#comment-19301 Sat, 05 Sep 2015 02:19:12 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9311#comment-19301 One more day of FREE Kindle editions of my first 3 books!

Paperback of my new book is available now! (Kindle edition coming soon)

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/07/01/my-7th-book/#comment-19150 Fri, 28 Aug 2015 16:52:54 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9311#comment-19150 More details:

Rest Unleashed, Goodness Found and Unexpected Christianity are scheduled to be FREE on Kindle 9/1 to 9/5. This is my promotion preparation for my new book, Identity Snatchers.

Amazon Kindle link

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/07/01/my-7th-book/#comment-19149 Fri, 28 Aug 2015 16:45:51 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9311#comment-19149 Hey everyone, look out for a FREE promotion coming next week for my books. In order to promote my 7th book “Identity Snatchers”, I will be giving away all my books on Kindle for for free.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/07/01/my-7th-book/#comment-18977 Wed, 05 Aug 2015 12:51:23 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9311#comment-18977 My 7th book is coming together rather well. I share the things Rebecca Kim leaves out of her book. If you want to know why ubf chapters keep falling apart, why morale is always stagnant or worse and how to redeem your ubf chapter, read my new book this fall…

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/07/01/my-7th-book/#comment-18912 Sat, 25 Jul 2015 22:56:04 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9311#comment-18912 Thanks for this question, MJ: “Will you mention all of it? The good, bad and the ugly?”

My terse answer was not called for. My 7th book will indeed show the good, the bad and the ugly. It is coming together nicely. This will be the most accurate, comprehensive and meaningful book about the group. So far I have 2 high profile endorsements. I might have difficulty making this less than 500 pages.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/07/01/my-7th-book/#comment-18768 Tue, 07 Jul 2015 12:24:27 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9311#comment-18768 This is an excellent point, especially the leading sentence: “I think the whole point of reading is not to read about things we are familiar with that make us feel safe and good.”

One of many things I appreciated about the Reformation Project leadership cohort was that the majority (as in about 80%) of our reading was about non-affirming theology and history. It was challenging to read such material that I almost completely disagree with. But it was really better that way. I learned much more and my own thoughts were challenged. And I even found some places where I agreed.

I think that applies to the ubf situation too. While I was at ubf, I rarely read material that contradicted my KOPAHN worldview. If I did happen to read non-ubf material, it was only to find more support for my ideology.

That all changed when I decided to read the late James Kim letter, and also the letter from his wife. Reading former member material that I completely disagreed with at the time was so helpful. In that case, I realized my own KOPAHN ideology was full of contradictions and very lacking in light of the Christian gospel.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/07/01/my-7th-book/#comment-18767 Mon, 06 Jul 2015 19:52:15 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9311#comment-18767 Every “good” from UBF in my life is tainted with toxic leadership, abusive influence and excessive manipulation. That is the point of my book. That is the norm–anything good at UBF is tainted. It is always tainted with imposing the fake identity of a “shepherd”.

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By: MJ Peace http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/07/01/my-7th-book/#comment-18765 Mon, 06 Jul 2015 19:48:46 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9311#comment-18765 Ok fair enough BK.
It’s your book.
I’ll read it when it’s done.
I still haven’t gotten your book, “New Wine,” but if Dr. B has it, I’ll get it.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/07/01/my-7th-book/#comment-18762 Mon, 06 Jul 2015 19:46:32 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9311#comment-18762 No. Only the bad and the ugly.

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By: MJ Peace http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/07/01/my-7th-book/#comment-18761 Mon, 06 Jul 2015 19:43:37 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9311#comment-18761 Also, after reading this article about book writing it reminded me of a quote from an interview with Azar Nafisi.

“I think the whole point of reading is not to read about things we are familiar with that make us feel safe and good. It is so boring to just read about ourselves. And once Western readers take freedoms for granted then they’re really in trouble. One of the things that has bothered me since I’ve come to the U.S. is this idea, in a lot of colleges and universities, or even in high schools, that everybody likes to read or talk only about themselves. So if you’re African American, you teach African American lit and you read African American lit and you write about African Americans. Now, I believe the whole point of writing and reading is to learn about things and people that you don’t know. As a writer, I start with a topic I think I know, and of course in part do know, but for me writing a book always becomes a journey of discovery. You are discovering that stranger within you, and for readers, then they open the book, there are two faculties, two miraculous faculties that the act of reading and writing depend on, which form the basis of our imaginations. The first one is curiosity… And the other great thing is that as soon as you enter this world that is both familiar and unfamiliar and you set out on this journey of discovery, the you discover Empathy.”

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By: MJ Peace http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/07/01/my-7th-book/#comment-18760 Mon, 06 Jul 2015 19:36:03 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9311#comment-18760 Will you also mention the good? Yesterday on the 4th I was at a bbq at Hyde Park sitting on a rock by the lake. I was sitting with 2 other second gent girls and we were talking about the Toh’s;) (crazy Dr. Ben) One of them serendipitously made the comment, “You know without the Toh’s none of us sitting on this here rock would be around.” (Ultimately, it is only by the grace of God, but her comment struck me.) One of the girls’ mother was “fished” at UIC and the other girl’s father was also fished. As for me, both my parents met through UBF. And I’m eternally grateful to God for this. Will you mention all of it? The good, bad and the ugly?

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/07/01/my-7th-book/#comment-18759 Mon, 06 Jul 2015 19:13:27 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9311#comment-18759 The draft of my 7th book is over 200 pages already, and I haven’t finished the first section. This will be both clear and comprehensive. And it will bring multivocality since my book will also be a conglomeration of many voices. Contact me if you want to add anything–quotes, poems, endorsements, stories, etc.

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By: MJ Peace http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/07/01/my-7th-book/#comment-18758 Mon, 06 Jul 2015 18:45:49 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9311#comment-18758 After reading the Rob Moll critique, I agree with you BK that you need to write this 7th book. I applaud Kim for her efforts and investigations; she put a lot of work into it. However as Moll states, “Because that wave included her parents, Kim had both unique access to the group and a deeper understanding of the challenges of doing missions in America.” Kim’s view is unique, as a second gent. It is unique and it is limited. This topic needs to be investigated from different perspectives. I agreed with Joe’s comment about taking UBF words at face value. Whoever controls the narrative/language controls the reality. On a topic as complex as UBF there needs to be more multivocality.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/07/01/my-7th-book/#comment-18754 Sun, 05 Jul 2015 22:59:53 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9311#comment-18754 Thanks Charles. I know you mentioned taking a social media break, but some of us have connected on a private Facebook page. Connect with me if you want to join: https://www.facebook.com/brian.karcher

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By: c http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/07/01/my-7th-book/#comment-18748 Sat, 04 Jul 2015 17:02:07 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9311#comment-18748 Thanks for doing this Brian. The title and outline are spot on. I’m willing to help in whatever way I can.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/07/01/my-7th-book/#comment-18738 Thu, 02 Jul 2015 12:22:34 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9311#comment-18738 I will be posted updated links and info about this 7th book on my author page.

http://www.unexpectedchristianity.org/identity-snatchers

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By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/07/01/my-7th-book/#comment-18736 Wed, 01 Jul 2015 16:06:16 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9311#comment-18736 “UBF missionaries … constantly criticized American culture and encouraged white Americans to think, speak and act like Koreans.” – See more at: http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/07/01/my-7th-book/#comment-18733

Joe, I agree with your statement, and find it a cross between amusing and annoying. But I would say that probably many of the missionaries have either little to no clue that they are doing so, or they give little thought that they are doing so (and likely would not welcome being told!), since some of them have virtually viewed themselves as the premier predominant privileged ones who have the right to dictate direction, procedure and policy.

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By: Joe Schafer http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/07/01/my-7th-book/#comment-18735 Wed, 01 Jul 2015 14:10:08 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9311#comment-18735 I read Rebecca Kim’s book. These are my thoughts.

1. She did a very good job of presenting UBF missionaries on their own terms. She gave a voice to their own narrative about themselves.

2. She did not give any real voice to those who have been hurt and damaged by UBF. Acknowledging that they exist somewhere out there is not the same thing as giving them a voice.

3. Too often, she took what UBF says about itself at face value. For example, she repeated the claim that the rate of divorce in UBF is essentially zero. But without thinking too hard about it, I can list many couples married in UBF who divorced. They drop off the radar and no one talks about them anymore. Kim also took UBF’s own hagiography of how the ministry began as a statements of fact. The story of how UBF began could be told in a very different way from what is found on UBF websites. For example, one could present it as a separatist movement that broke away from the Presbyterian Church because Samuel Lee didn’t want to be accountable to anyone. Alternative angles were never explored.

4. Her discussion of racism in UBF was puzzling. Yes, UBF missionaries prized white Americans as sheep. So in that sense, they believed in white superiority. But they constantly criticized America culture and encouraged white Americans to think, speak and act like Koreans.

5. The book has essentially no theological reflection. I suppose the author would say that she was writing as a sociologist, and theological reflection would be inappropriate. But Christian readers may be disappointed by the lack of analysis of the spiritual implications of what UBF members believe and do. For example: Kim’s extensive description of the “soldier spirit” of missionaries and their “theology of sacrifice” should have led to some reflection about what UBF is really promoting. They would say they are merely preaching the gospel. But shouldn’t a gospel ministry focus more on the work of the Holy Spirit than the missionaries’ soldier spirit? Shouldn’t a gospel ministry focus more on the sacrifice of Jesus than on the missionaries’ own sacrifice? One could say with good reason that UBF leaders have idolized their own zeal and sacrifice. But Kim doesn’t discuss this at all.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/07/01/my-7th-book/#comment-18734 Wed, 01 Jul 2015 13:40:59 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9311#comment-18734 Ben, I won’t initiate something like that. I am tying these threads together using social media. If someone sees this article, they are free to comment or just read in silence :)

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By: Joe Schafer http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/07/01/my-7th-book/#comment-18733 Wed, 01 Jul 2015 13:34:40 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9311#comment-18733 Moll gave the book 3 stars out of 5, which isn’t very good. Among the the books reviewed by CT, only 26% have ratings of 3 stars or less.

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By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2015/07/01/my-7th-book/#comment-18732 Wed, 01 Jul 2015 12:30:29 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=9311#comment-18732 Thanks, Brian. Your new book outline sounds pretty comprehensive! I’m wondering if you might want to contact Moll and see if he might offer some feedback or response: rob.moll@gmail.com or https://twitter.com/mollrob

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