Comments on: The Law Makes You Worse http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/11/17/the-law-makes-you-worse/ for friends of University Bible Fellowship Wed, 21 Oct 2015 04:34:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.3.1 By: big bear http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/11/17/the-law-makes-you-worse/#comment-15862 Wed, 19 Nov 2014 12:30:53 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8577#comment-15862 I dont think the law makes a person worse…it is Holy and good. I think when a person hears the word they realize they fall short of the glory of God. God is perfect and we never will be…the problem comes when we try to earn heaven with our works than we become worse. Like MJ mentioned, all we must do is believe His grace. UBF is dangerously about works. This is where they fail and many ministries that try to work their way to heaven. This is why there is no love for the common man, the homeless, the man in prison, their children, or the once UBFer. In a works based system, there is no grace and love. Thank God for the believer. Such a person becomes free in Jesus…they uphold the law.

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By: MJ Peace http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/11/17/the-law-makes-you-worse/#comment-15861 Wed, 19 Nov 2014 04:43:13 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8577#comment-15861 I read this from a blog today and it reminded me of this article:

“It’s interesting to me that when someone comes to faith in Christ for the first time we tell them that there is absolutely nothing that they can do to free themselves from their sins, and that they must fully trust Christ to save them and cleanse them. But when a believer confesses that they are entangled in sin, we tell them that they must try harder! Try harder? Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh (Galatians 3:3)?
Your trying harder didn’t get you saved, your trying harder can’t keep you saved, and your trying harder definitely has no power to make you pure!
The real key to purity is not trying, but believing! That’s right; the same thing that got you saved when you came to Jesus for the first time will get you clean and keep you clean!”

http://www.benjaminisraelrobinson.com/living-sexually-pure/

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/11/17/the-law-makes-you-worse/#comment-15848 Mon, 17 Nov 2014 18:33:38 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8577#comment-15848 Here is a relevant quote that I love from Danaher. The Christian gospel is not anarchy (I am not against laws in general).

“God’s law must be rethought, not only because of our renewed understanding of sin, evil, and good, but because the gospel gives us a perspective of law that is radically different from the concept that we acquire as we are acculturated into human society.”

Eyes That See, Ears That Hear: Perceiving Jesus in a Postmodern Context (James P Danaher) Kindle Edition, Loc. 1399-1403

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/11/17/the-law-makes-you-worse/#comment-15847 Mon, 17 Nov 2014 17:55:51 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8577#comment-15847 I agree with every fiber of my being. I love this quote:

“There is no possibility of questioning God when He speaks, if He speaks to His own nature in me. Prompt obedience is the only result. When Jesus says, “Come,” I simply come; when He says, “Let go,” I let go; when He says, “Trust God in this matter,” I trust. This work of obedience is the evidence that the nature of God is in me.”

When Jesus commands me to do something, I am learning not to question it. He told me “Resign from ubf and you will be crucified”. But I didn’t want to. I didn’t want to be the one to engage in all the ugly conversations. I didn’t want to hurt my friends. I just wanted to live my life and be with my family. I didn’t want to get involved with all the mess. But Jesus said “Go.” So I went.

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By: forestsfailyou http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/11/17/the-law-makes-you-worse/#comment-15846 Mon, 17 Nov 2014 17:51:19 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8577#comment-15846 How do you all feel about todays utmost devotional

My Utmost For His Highest

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The Eternal Goal

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By Myself I have sworn, says the Lord, because you have done this thing…I will bless you… —Genesis 22:16-17

Abraham, at this point, has reached where he is in touch with the very nature of God. He now understands the reality of God.

My goal is God Himself…
At any cost, dear Lord, by any road.

“At any cost…by any road” means submitting to God’s way of bringing us to the goal.

There is no possibility of questioning God when He speaks, if He speaks to His own nature in me. Prompt obedience is the only result. When Jesus says, “Come,” I simply come; when He says, “Let go,” I let go; when He says, “Trust God in this matter,” I trust. This work of obedience is the evidence that the nature of God is in me.

God’s revelation of Himself to me is influenced by my character, not by God’s character.

’Tis because I am ordinary,
Thy ways so often look ordinary to me.

It is through the discipline of obedience that I get to the place where Abraham was and I see who God is. God will never be real to me until I come face to face with Him in Jesus Christ. Then I will know and can boldly proclaim, “In all the world, my God, there is none but Thee, there is none but Thee.”

The promises of God are of no value to us until, through obedience, we come to understand the nature of God. We may read some things in the Bible every day for a year and they may mean nothing to us. Then, because we have been obedient to God in some small detail, we suddenly see what God means and His nature is instantly opened up to us. “All the promises of God in Him are Yes, and in Him Amen…” (2 Corinthians 1:20). Our “Yes” must be born of obedience; when by obedience we ratify a promise of God by saying, “Amen,” or, “So be it.” That promise becomes ours.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/11/17/the-law-makes-you-worse/#comment-15844 Mon, 17 Nov 2014 17:26:06 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8577#comment-15844 Great thoughts Ben. I think you’ve captured some of the key points of what I call outlaw theology.

I’ll repeat my contentions, which I stand by more and more passionately the more I learn:

1. Christians do not strive to obey God’s Law, but to follow Jesus.

2. God’s Law has a purpose: to teach a redemptive narrative about Jesus.

3. God’s Law is an all or nothing proposition. If you attempt to obey any part of it, you must obey all of it.

4. God’s Law is not binding nor unifying on Christians, but the Spirit of God is binding and unifying.

5. Any attempt to implement God’s OT law is an attempt to rebuild what Jesus fulfilled. If we try to do that, what sacrifice remains?

So then, how can our righteousness surpass that of the teachers of the law? How can we be perfect? The answer is as astoundingly deep as it is blatantly obvious: love.

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By: BrianK http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/11/17/the-law-makes-you-worse/#comment-15843 Mon, 17 Nov 2014 17:21:52 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8577#comment-15843 “the law is a school master…”

I agree, and so does Scripture. Galatians 3:25 was massively healing for my soul. The law is no longer our school master! Our new master is grace and we are now bound to the Spirit!

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By: forestsfailyou http://www.ubfriends.org/2014/11/17/the-law-makes-you-worse/#comment-15838 Mon, 17 Nov 2014 15:57:13 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=8577#comment-15838 Someone recently expressed to a good friend of mine (who is a missionary), that they were very concerned about me and hoped I would become more like Jesus. The friend said that he felt I was growing in the grace of God, but then the “concerned” person said “yes but I hope he grows in the law.” It was so funny to hear such a thing (to me).

A few things. First the law is a school master, it is like a mirror that shows us how bad we are, but in order to get clean I cannot use the mirror. I must find something else, and that something else is Jesus. My sin will continue to made me worse in worse if I in vain, attempt to be clean by the mirror. Secondly, theological issues turn into practical issues. I like to think of theology as a map. If my map is wrong I will end up in the wrong spot. I sympathize with the view that theology is unimportant compared to Christ. I understand it, it is like saying the best thing about climbing a mountain is reaching the top. The summit is the most important, but if my map brings me in circles around the mountain I will never get to my goal. Theology is a gift of God given though faith that allows people to avoid pitfalls and turnabouts in our climb to Christ. It is a weapon against the deceiver. But it is true. The map cannot be taken as the thing itself. The map might show the mountains summit, but that picture is not the summit itself.

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