Maybe we should nail this African proverb on the doors of the museum: “Until lions have their own historians, tales of the hunt shall always glorify the hunter.”

Maybe we should contribute some artifacts to the museum? Like the original of the open letter written by the 7 senior shepherds in 1976? Or the reform declaration of 2000? Or the original bathtub in which Samuel Lee forced people to sit in ice water? When we look at the history of UBF, we find so many things that UBF needs to be ashamed of. And still, they are bragging and bragging, full of pride and unrepentance. I’m so fed up with these people.

Here are some choice quotes from the new ubf museum in Korea:

“It was a miracle that Israel people crossed the Jordan River as on dry land. God wanted his people to remember God’s history. However, when Israel people entered the promised land flowing with milk and honey, they forgot God and compromised with the Gentile culture. Therefore, God built up 12 stones as a memorial forever so that they may remember God’s history and teach it to his descendants.”
>>> ubf people clearly are acting out the OT narrative literally, taking on various identities. This is a good example of what I call “KOPHN fantasy”. They can no longer distinguish themselves from this false identity, nor can they tell the difference between ubf and God.

“Announcements and prayer topics were given by S. David Kim, Korean UBF director. First of all, we praised God who opened the UBF History Museum by remodeling the original building located at 176-1 Daein-dong, Kwangju, Korea. S. David emphasized the importance of history education. He asked us to pray that God may use this history museum to teach God’s history in UBF and pass on UBF ministry to our descendants. After our ceremony, we visited the UBF History Museum to pray together.”
>>> There is no doubt that ubf has only one purpose: pass on ubf ministry…

ubf museum opens up

So who wants to be made into a statue? Anyone want to bring your kids to the ubf museum?

I might go farther back by thinking that WE ARE THE LINE OF:

* Abel and Seth, not Cain.
* Abraham, not Lot.
* Isaac, not Esau.
* David, not Saul.
* Paul, not Barnabas (who was not spoken of after Acts 16 when they split).

WE, THE good guys, ALWAYS fall on God’s side!!!

All this speask to my pride and egotistical sin that was wildly out of control. My greatest realization in all this was that God agrees with me 100%. When I realized that, a light went on and I repented.

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The best one word description of DK’s remarks that I can come up with is: self-indulgent.

I must also say that since I’ve “gone down the dark path to hell”, I am MOST JOYFUL, HOPEFUL AND FREE! I’ve never felt more alive and more happy than after 2 years of recovery from the ubf quagmire. I love my wife, enjoy my family and most of all love Jesus and am becoming connected with the Body of Christ more and more. I just love all the philosophical and theological debates and discussions of all kinds! I love reading about 2,000 years of Christian history. We live in an exciting time of many movements around the world led by the Holy Spirit!

And best of all, the Holy Scriptures have come alive like effervescent new wine with springs of living water quenching my thirsty soul.

24 years of the ubf lifestyle left my soul dry, parched and bound up in a twisted web.

Now my soul drinks in the living water with tears of joy!!

“For me the strangest thing is the “spirit” he mentions.”

Yes, me too. What is this strange “spirit”? This is mentioned throughout the UBF 50th Anniversary Book (which I just call the blue book). Why emphasize some magical “spirit” of community over and above the Holy Spirit? Why leave Jesus out of the organization’s new mission statement?

“btw, Joe and Brian and Dr.Ben, what do you think about your former “greatness” as ubf leaders, as royal priesthood and holy nation?”

Valid question. I used to see myself and my fellow UBF leaders as “holy soldiers” and “world class leaders” :/ that is until I realized I couldn’t even speak American English :<

"How do you feel after you fell “into the temptations of sin” and became busy with “knocking down the faith of others”?"

Thanks for asking. I feel a whole range of emotions… sometimes bitter, sometimes angry, sometimes hopeless, sometimes furious, sometimes fatalistic, sometimes indignant, and on and on.

Only the gospel Jesus preached saves me from such a mess :)

Thank you, Brian, that you make it clear which side to choose. I agree with your previous words that the best way to criticize ubf is to quote its leaders. After reading the DK’s message I am happier that I am not a part of ubf. This is just crazy!

Still I see that DK is wise. I mean he didn’t say, “The Bible says…”, he didn’t say he interpreted the Bible text, he just said, “I believe that this is also what God says to us”.

For me the strangest thing is the “spirit” he mentions. There are actually many “spirits” in the message and no Spirit. And I wonder about the one in these sentences “If the spirit that worked in the UBF ministry for the past 50 years came…”, “However, the spirit that worked in the UBF ministry for the past 50 years didn’t come from the ideas of…”, “It was not a typical UBF spirit, but the eternal truth of God’s words”.

And maybe it became typical for ubf messages not to include Jesus. Instead they have that Mother (Mary ?! no, Barry!). This smells bad.

I suppose that the message makes at least one thing clear: no possible changes in ubf. The leaders are not going to become “worldly” and to “fall into temptations” which are coming from those “tempters”, namely Joe, Brian, and others.

btw, Joe and Brian and Dr.Ben, what do you think about your former “greatness” as ubf leaders, as royal priesthood and holy nation? How do you feel after you fell “into the temptations of sin” and became busy with “knocking down the faith of others”?

what’s good for goose is good for gander: so opposite side of debate should do same (ignore/continue:)

But…and this is a very BIG BUT: There does not seem to be any indication that he (and some others in UBF leadership) takes ANY serious personal responsibility for the crisis in UBF. This is very very problematic to me. It is so easy to point a finger that the problem is in “others,” not realizing that 3 fingers are pointing at oneself.