Comments on: Hello Malaysia, Ukraine and South Korea! http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/05/18/hello-malaysia-ukraine-and-south-korea/ for friends of University Bible Fellowship Wed, 21 Oct 2015 04:34:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.3.1 By: BK http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/05/18/hello-malaysia-ukraine-and-south-korea/#comment-13806 Thu, 15 May 2014 12:55:51 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=6162#comment-13806 And keep in mind the purpose of each website:

ubf.org purpose > disseminate positive reports about ubf and God’s work

ubfrineds.org > generate dialogue for the sake of unity in the body of Christ

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By: BK http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/05/18/hello-malaysia-ukraine-and-south-korea/#comment-13805 Thu, 15 May 2014 12:54:05 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=6162#comment-13805 Another big factor here Joe: ubfriends.org was started in 2010. We’ve only existed less than 4 years. ubf.org was registerd on 11/9/1996. So they’ve had 18 years to build up ranking. I don’t know the ranking forumulas but I do know that length of time is a factor in some of the calculations.

Some of my research shows ubf ranked higher than ubfriends, others show it lower. The bottom line: both websites are ranked in the 5 million to 10 million range (small potatos).

The only stat I care about really is this:

Total public comments

ubf.org 0
ubfriends.org 13,000+

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By: Joe Schafer http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/05/18/hello-malaysia-ukraine-and-south-korea/#comment-13799 Thu, 15 May 2014 10:34:09 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=6162#comment-13799 Yes, over the years, UBF has tried various strategies to move its own websites up in search engine rankings and move the anti-ubf websites down. The topic was repeatedly discussed in staff meetings that I attended.

This website, UBFriends, has never promoted itself in those ways. We just provide good content.

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By: BK http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/05/18/hello-malaysia-ukraine-and-south-korea/#comment-13797 Thu, 15 May 2014 10:12:34 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=6162#comment-13797 Hi Ben, Google Analytics is free, and typically respected as being a rather accurate gauge. However, website analysis or “SEO” (service engine optimization) is what I would call “wild science”. It is very difficult to make sense of the numbers. However we can tell some things and take a look at the various stats. I’ll post an article about this.

Something to keep in mind, ubf has an official Internet Committee. I know for a fact that this committee has worked a lot of hours and done research into SEO in order to make “ubf.org” be a higher rank.

So this committee has done things like setup a fake ubf website (http://www.university-bible-fellowship.org/) just to bolster positive information and rankings. I even have email from the committee asking ubf members to click “dislike” on some website because it contained something bad about ubf.

So I am curious to see if this self-induced page ranking effort has paid off for ubf.

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By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/05/18/hello-malaysia-ukraine-and-south-korea/#comment-13796 Wed, 14 May 2014 21:21:09 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=6162#comment-13796 Brian, did u have to pay for google analytics to get such detailed data? For Alexa you get pretty rough data, unless you pay for services.

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By: BK http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/05/18/hello-malaysia-ukraine-and-south-korea/#comment-12753 Sun, 02 Mar 2014 12:14:03 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=6162#comment-12753 Yes Chris, the latest developments are highly disturbing. Praying for peace.

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By: Chris http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/05/18/hello-malaysia-ukraine-and-south-korea/#comment-12748 Sat, 01 Mar 2014 23:38:45 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=6162#comment-12748 I had hoped the problems in the Ukraine were now solved after the corrupt president has left the country and re-elections were arranged for end of May. But now Russia is interferring and makng things even worse than anybody could have ever imagined. Please continue to pray for peace.

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By: BK http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/05/18/hello-malaysia-ukraine-and-south-korea/#comment-12674 Sat, 22 Feb 2014 13:44:06 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=6162#comment-12674 Yes Chris, I am thankful to see some good from the Ukraine struggle (if I even understand this at all).

I was so moved by the images of the Orthodox priests standing in between the two groups.

And today seems like some good news: Ukraine protesters take Kiev without a shot

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By: BK http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/05/18/hello-malaysia-ukraine-and-south-korea/#comment-12672 Sat, 22 Feb 2014 13:17:53 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=6162#comment-12672 Chris I agree. Here is an excellent article on just that topic, shared with me by a long-time exubfer:

“At some point you have to stop talking and start doing.

Here’s my suggestion. If you’ve been in an honest dialogue for at least a year and are not making progress (that is, you haven’t made a plan for change you are ready to act on), you have come to a moment of truth.

At some point, you just need to tell everyone where you have landed.

So our plan for change is to implement X, Y and Z by this date. Let’s do it!

Or

So essentially we have decided that we will not grow. We are content with the status quo. We will not change. And we will live with the consequences of stagnation, decline and decay.

Guess what? 99% of leaders will never utter the second statement.

And that’s why they’re stuck. That’s why they’re perpetually frustrated.

But that second statement is exactly what you need to say if that’s your reality.

And then—are you ready?—you need to decide whether you want to lead that organization.”

What To Do When People Want A Church To Grow…But Not Change

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By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/05/18/hello-malaysia-ukraine-and-south-korea/#comment-12668 Fri, 21 Feb 2014 19:41:39 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=6162#comment-12668 Chris, I think you know that there are some old timers who have been leaders who have had their way (or the highway) for over 2 to 3 to 4 to 5 decades.

I think that they just have no idea how to respond to any form of disagreement with them, or critique, or objection to their directives and agenda.

In the past their word was final, and it was above the law. Now, it is just too hard for some of them to face the fact that it will not be like how it was in the past, where they were virtually and practically the only prophet, priest and king.

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By: Chris http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/05/18/hello-malaysia-ukraine-and-south-korea/#comment-12667 Fri, 21 Feb 2014 18:54:21 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=6162#comment-12667 Seems God heard some prayers. The situation improved dramatically yesterday. So thank you God. And also thanks to the many Christians who not only prayed, but intervened directly (http://risu.org.ua/en/index/all_news/state/national_religious_question/55383/). Action is also neceesary (http://www.rationalchristianity.net/prayer_action.html). I’m saying this to all UBFers who believe nothing should be done about the problems in UBF. Where we CAN do something, we also MUST do something.

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By: Chris http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/05/18/hello-malaysia-ukraine-and-south-korea/#comment-12636 Thu, 20 Feb 2014 14:32:29 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=6162#comment-12636 Another thing I feel compelled to write: Let’s pray for the Ukraine that the country will not enter a civil war and the bloodshedding will stop. This is a very critical moment.

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By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/05/18/hello-malaysia-ukraine-and-south-korea/#comment-7416 Sun, 19 May 2013 13:10:19 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=6162#comment-7416 OIC! I never thought of that! Wow! Just ONE person can make such a difference. So the numbers for this and next month will surely be DOWN, DOWN, DOWN!

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By: Brian Karcher http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/05/18/hello-malaysia-ukraine-and-south-korea/#comment-7415 Sun, 19 May 2013 13:06:12 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=6162#comment-7415 …Perhaps the Malaysian numbers are a bit skewed by a certain someone from Malaysia staying up all night clicking on ubfriends articles :)

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By: Ben Toh http://www.ubfriends.org/2013/05/18/hello-malaysia-ukraine-and-south-korea/#comment-7413 Sun, 19 May 2013 13:03:53 +0000 http://www.ubfriends.org/?p=6162#comment-7413 Go, Malaysia, my homeland that I still love!

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